Uma grande sede de viver

episode: 26 title: "Ep. 26 - Uma grande sede de viver, com Edgar Félix" pub_date: "Mon, 23 Sep 2024 05:00:00 +0000" original_language: english source_audio: "ceebcbdb.mp3"

Hello, welcome. I'm Rui and this is the WAG Podcast. Now, everyone, welcome to the WAG Podcast. Today I have the enormous pleasure of having with me one of the people... Actually, one of the people I like the most in this industry. Although we've known each other for a few years, we've been together very few times, but I have Edgar with me. Edgar Félix, now from Native Words. Hello, Edgar. Hello, it's been a while. Yes, now, as they say, it's been a few years. No, hello, thank you. It's an enormous pleasure. You know I really like you guys. I really like you and I like Rita a lot. And I'm really sorry that we can't be together more often, things, schedules, schedules, but I really have the great pleasure of being here with you for several reasons, but one of them is that you are probably the first guest of what I could call a younger generation. Almost all of my guests so far have I don't know, between 15 and 20 years of experience. And you, as far as I know, are now about to close the first decade. Yes, yes. I think this year there are like 9. I had to investigate, you know? 9 alone, 8 with Rita, but yes, already. You know, I had a driving instructor and he used to say to me, you know, when you get old, stories don't start from last year, they start 10 years ago. And I start to get a little scared of getting old too fast, when in fact we've been doing this for 10 years. But it doesn't bother me, I don't have any temporary complexes, not even with age. It's funny you say that, because the first time I felt grown up, and I remember this, this is ridiculous, but I remember this, the first time I felt grown up, some of my 20s or so, was when I started to say, most of my friends, my closest friends, those 5 or 6, one of them is my brother, he knows me since I exist, he's older, but almost all the others I met when I went to high school in the 5th year, at 10 years old, that is, I know them all at 10 years old. When I got to 20 and started to say, man, we've known each other for 10 years, I started to feel grown up, you know? It's a bit like that, because being 8 years old is strange. As soon as you close a decade, it starts to be something like that. Yeah, it has a certain weight. Yes, yes. But in any case, as I was saying, you don't feel that weight, weight in the sense that there's an accumulation, you don't feel that accumulation, but yes, if you're 10 years old, the truth is that I don't know if I have much more to say than the others who have 20 years of experience. No, but that's the interesting part, that's the interesting part of the thing here. Naturally, you won't have much more to say, but you'll have a lot to say in a different way. And that's... And it was also one of the reasons why I liked... I liked and did, as you... I really like that you're the first of this new generation and I have another alignment of many interesting people, even more recent than you, because I think it's what I like to do. And this is, man, let's put generations to talk, let's put people to talk. Because, although you're... I'd say you're in that middle, we have generations with 20, 21, 22, in the case of Sofia and André, Betita and another guy, who have all those years, and then you have a guy starting very recently, two, three years ago, especially post-pandemic, with some very fresh ideas, and in some cases, kind of revolutionary. I think you're there in a very interesting middle, that is, you already have this experience of a decade, but you still have a freshness of a young person. Because you're what age? 32? One? 32. You're growing up. You're a grown man. But... But, look, I really enjoy having you here, and having you here in this context of a freshness. And then, when I realized... It's funny, I never told you this, but I look at you, Rita, I have a feeling, almost, of younger brothers. So, I have a great affection for you, in that sense of younger brothers. And when I realized that you have a younger brother, and I just realized that, after he's at the party, talking constantly, like, but my brother also helped me with this, he helped a lot, he gave a lot of opinions, I still know. I have no idea who the boy is. And then, Elsa told me, when your brother came on stage, he said, oh, he's really similar to Edgar. And I was like, really? He's really similar? And I never made the connection with Tikiotec. Only later, in the end, I asked Elsa, who's this boy? Him. And she said, he's Pedro Félix, he's Pedro's brother. João Pedro. João, exactly, João Pedro. He's Edgar's brother. Oh, he's really his brother. Yeah, it exists, it's real. He would have been a character that I would have chosen. Exactly. An alter-ego. Yes. But I really thought it was funny, because, one of the things I like about you, even though you're young, is that you deepen the conversations. You don't stay superficial. And I loved hearing that about your brother too. How old is he? Is he younger than you? He's 27. Ok. And I loved, I talked to him in the end, and I loved the maturity that came out of his soul. I really liked it. The truth is that, in this generation issue, there's a lot of that. I mean, I think, I don't know if there are secrets of longevity, but I think it goes through me a lot too, this permanent exchange between the younger generation, and next to my brother, who's half a dozen, and the older generation, this permanent exchange, I think, makes it, I agree with you, that it's in the middle, but I think it's very important, this permanent exchange, to talk a lot, sometimes to talk in a way, to this rudeness, but to talk a lot, and even deep, about many topics. But it's interesting to realize that we can have these deep conversations, even with a younger guy. I love it when that happens, it's not very common. But also in reality, I can't say it's very common to have deep conversations with people my age. There are some people I have very deep conversations with, there are others... I think it's up to the people. And it's also one of the things that bothers me a bit in the current world, that you have, well, Instagram conversations, WhatsApp conversations, even though I don't use Twitter and things like that, they're very short and superficial things, you can't go deep. And the effort I've made in the last few months with this and not only, podcast is just one of the parts, because I've been forced to be with people and... and really sit down and talk to them, has given me this spectacular feeling of, when I sit down, I like to talk deeply with people. And that's why I like you so much, because we always have these, especially when we go to pizzas, right? I only have penalties, that is, at 7, 8 in the afternoon I have a glass of wine and... Yeah, right? But look, there's a good idea there, you see, there's a good... Yeah, I just didn't propose to you so you wouldn't feel embarrassed. Yeah, it's okay, it's okay. It's like that, really, 11 minus 10 is a bit... But, as the Americans say, it's 5 o'clock somewhere. Right. It's true. But, look, let's go then, I'll ask you some more specific questions so we can... Let's go, let's go. ...smoothen your head a bit. And this is the first connection with this, which is, you're completing a decade, right? Next year, I think, you close that round number, I asked this one, which is, what does that round number of 10 years, of a decade, mean to you? It means, fortunately, until now, it means progress. But it also means that, a while ago, in the brothers' conversation, you said that I might seem like the younger brother of you. I thought, fuck, the younger brother, you're already working, I'm already leaving early in the morning, and... the day after, you're going to stop my hangover. But the truth is that I think, the truth is that I think that these 10 years mean a lot of things, but they always mean good things, those that we have a lot... I mean, those things mean that there were great nights, good stories, a lot of things. I think that's what these 10 years mean. It's, more than anything, realizing that this thing of marriage is something very broad, and it's not something narrow, it can be a lot of things, and that we can have a lot of fun in this thing of marriage. I'm actually in love with marriage, and, I mean, I'd say that these 10 years are 10 years of a lot of fun, a lot of stories, and... and in these 10 years, I mean, if we think a little bit in retrospect, I don't know, I started in a very small village, doing maybe 40, 50 weddings a year, and it's very curious to realize how everything changed, and despite being 10 years, I think it changed very quickly, at least until we got to where we are now, but it's a lot of that. It's been... It's been a journey. You feel like you're getting to a kind of end of adolescence, in which you started doing what seemed to be and what didn't seem to be, you did anything without thinking very well, and suddenly, maybe, where you want to be will be in the last 2 or 3 years, and you start to realize, no, it's really now that I'm getting to where I want to be. Without a doubt. But, actually, I've always been... I've always tried to feel a little comfortable in each of the phases. Otherwise, I'd always be in pure anxiety, and that wasn't the goal. The goal is, even doing a lot of weddings, okay, to be at peace with that. Okay, I needed some change to buy that camera. Of course, this was in the first year. Now, I want to know everything, except for cameras. So, the truth is that that path ended up being very interesting in that aspect. But, yes, I understand what you're saying. There's an end to adolescence. There's an attempt at that. I think there's... For example, Rita and I always did a lot of workshops and we loved being with a lot of people. But there's something that I think you don't gain and you don't build, which is greater confidence. I think those 10 years now bring that confidence, that you don't learn, that you don't learn. And I think that, after 10 years of doing this, I think we already feel a little bit that affirmation that I think comes with age. Fortunately, I think this affirmation is also coming coincidentally. No, I'm probably making up words, but but you got it. So, the question of... It works, I mean, reaching these 10 years, with these 32 years of life, gives me a certain comfort. I'm happy. Now, the goals are many and the path is long, but yes, 10 years is a good number. Here, there are some times, those graphics, of internet gurus, and there's always that perception of the first years, it seems that we take little and we're always working hard. The effort is always much greater than what we have in return. And I believe that we'll get to a point where that return starts to compensate for all that effort in the first years. I think that's true. At least for us, it has been like that. I think that's really it. You dream a lot at the beginning and you think nothing is happening, right? And suddenly, there's that saying, I think it's Chinese, it's not a saying, it's a... How do you say it? A bamboo, that during the first 4 or 5 years, you just sow it, you just water it, you just take care of it, and it's creating roots, and then I think that in the 5th year, you grow 2 or 3 meters, something like that, a province, and basically you think nothing is happening, and suddenly everything happened, and you think, ah, how curious, right? You were creating roots, right? I feel that there's something that... I'm a rite, we have a lot of indifferent things, but we have something in common, we're not great strategists or calculators, we don't work a lot from 5 to 10 years old. Just this expression, from 5 to 10 years old, it's already giving us a stomach ache. Of course, with time, we start to make the steps, that's it, and now we have goals a little bit further than a year or two, but they're goals that we always... We admit that we always do this in a way... Enthusiasm is the fuel for us to do more and better, and feel, and how we're going to make the next step, always in a very... almost organic way, and not necessarily, calm down, where's the A3 sheet that tells you that we're going from this degree to that degree? I think that's it, I think that balance of also not being obsessed with a goal, also makes us go slowly, slowly, in achievements and in non-achievements, of course. And do you think you're where you thought you would be? No, not at all, not at all. To call it that... For better or for worse? But for better or for worse? No, for better, for better. I think so, I think it would be dishonest to say that it would be for worse. No, not at all, but I think that's it. Expectations... It wasn't that I didn't have expectations, and it wasn't that I didn't have goals, but I think that, being very happy with what we're doing now, and we've traveled a lot, and actually, that's only good because I was in agreement with what our goal was, to travel a little more. So, in that aspect, we're very happy. That happiness makes me believe that this is the way. It makes me believe that the expectation is being overcome with what would be the past. Now, yes, of everything, of everything. Now, I think there's progress, and I think there's an evolution, and I think that... Actually, I think we're always going back. But, of course, there was a positive evolution. I'm very happy where I am now, and maybe I wouldn't think I would be here so soon. But you already had that... Actually, I'm just really happy with what we've done. Yes, but you know why? Apart from the wedding being funny because sometimes things change very quickly, but I'm still very slow. And sometimes you plan something and you go completely the other way. Sometimes it goes well, sometimes it goes badly. And I, happily, and I say happily with some calm and with some taste, I've already had both experiences, I've already had a phase that went well, other phases that went less well. But I think that you have value with both. But it's always interesting because you don't know where you're going to be. But the idea of... Oh, how funny, I didn't know I could be here. Is it cool? It's cool, and I think... I think that's it, I think we always have to stimulate enthusiasm. Enthusiasm will always be part of what comes next. If enthusiasm is lost, of course, everything else is also lost. I think that for you, and you're 10 years old, you already see that old question of change, that resistance to change, which I was always trying to be tough, because we're animals, we work to be within our smallest possible limitations, and, in fact, I think that when enthusiasm becomes superior and it overcomes that resistance, and we are able to overcome the changes of everything that comes, everything that... everything that industry brings, I think that it's worth it, as long as that enthusiasm is high. In this period that you've had so far. When I say yours, yours, of course. Yes. Okay, right. I think that... It may seem kind of superficial, and it's not, actually, but I think that what was supposed to be our biggest challenge is also what is our challenge in our lives, which is to be able to look at ourselves and not compare ourselves so much with the people around us, and make it our advantage, to realize that we're not the same as other people, that we have different needs, different goals, and I think that there's that insecurity that I was talking about earlier, that you only lose with age, I think that it was necessary for that trust to grow, so that both me and Rita could realize that no, calm down, we also want to do things our way, in our own way, and there's no right or wrong way, and what we need is very different from what our best friends need. But of course, the lack of trust made us look around us and think, no, no, that person is right. And it was stupid, even if they were our best friends, I think it was winning some... The biggest challenge was that, to make that inner struggle, so that we could have some trust and say, no, what we... Raspar, what we really want to do is right, and even if it's not the right thing, we'll be happier doing what we're doing. In fact, I think that was our biggest challenge. It's a... I'm listening to you, I'm sorry. No, no, it's an interesting path when you have colleagues that I know are the people you're talking to, Vanessa and Ivo, and others of that kind, that you know, and I had those friends, in my case it was André, when you have people so amazing, with such an amazing job, with a career that maybe goes a little bit ahead of you, and you look at it with some pride, with some admiration, it also becomes a difficult mix of, ok, I understand that this is spectacular and it works for you, and I admire you a lot, but it may not work for me, right? It's a... It's a difficult balance, sometimes. Yes, it's a difficult balance, because there it is, we admire those people, and... But it's also a kind of Portuguese thing. We have a certain... A certain... It's a Portuguese thing to have this complexity of... An insecurity that makes us look back and think that what our peers are doing is right, so it's easier for us to copy the next steps, because of that fear of not failing, because that person didn't fail, so we won't fail, so we're afraid of going out of our way, but actually I think that made a lot of difference to us, and it still makes all the difference today, allowing ourselves to have confidence in ourselves, and being really willing to... But that's it, it's something you gain with time. I believe that... It's not something that is built, I would say. I agree with you. And what was different from what you expected? Not only necessarily the fact that you grew up and you have a brand, such a cool company, maybe more than what you thought at the moment, but what was different, or even quite different, from what you thought? Probably going to warm up. Yes, of course there were a lot of things that I didn't expect that most of our clients would be international, I didn't expect I didn't expect that the path would end up being like this also because of what I was saying not planning too much makes that later we had some surprises, there it is, positive and negative but I think I didn't expect this path, I didn't expect my will to have to direct a couple, in other words, in another language that part was unpredictable for me and for Rita, and it ended up being a very positive thing now, I was trying to answer your question in a more faithful way I think that's it, I think this is the truth, I think the answer is this, without a doubt Look, you touched on this a bit and I would like you to explain a bit more I already realized that you are not a person who does it, you are not I will say it to you because it is easier to lead the conversation for you but I am always presuming that... even because I know perfectly well that Rita tells you what she says that it is reality, we are not going to talk about it but it is interesting, this topic, and we were talking about challenges and overcomings I know that in this case you will understand me very well working together with the person we have a life of 24 hours for 24 hours is not easy at all, but but what I am most proud of in these 10 years is to feel that what we are doing today is much closer to what the two of us want than what Rita wants or what I want and this balance that time gives me is very good, so that's what makes me very happy right now to be able to know that what we are doing is as interesting to me as it is to Rita that is, also to say that Rita has a role more important than people imagine I have any doubt and that's exactly what you're saying We are 14 years old, we have 17 boyfriends we have 10 married we have 24 under 24 we have 14 at the moment it's a lot of time and it's a lot of time together and what I told you a while ago, that fortunately I have good and bad experiences and I think you always win with all and I understand perfectly what you're saying because there's a lot that even if it's not technical issues you have to be aligned and a couple that works together has to be aligned because if not, your whole life will be affected your problems in your daily life, how you manage your life will affect your work and vice versa the more aligned you can be the better your life is, in both ways there's no possible comparison No, that alignment is very difficult but that alignment, when we work as a couple that's it, we take that it's our biggest joys many of them at work and the big challenge is always that not forgetting that there's a life beyond work and that balance is a constant challenge it's not a challenge that next month is overcome, no I mean, next month I have to keep remembering that it's me, Rita is Rita, our work is our work we have a lot of fun at work but that's it, it's fundamental and it's a big challenge I don't have this question connected but I don't think you're going to make me do it because I think we've already talked about it do you imagine, in the short or medium future, having children? Yes, yes, Rita wants to be a mother well before meeting me so it's not a coincidence Exactly to talk about this I mean, do you think at that point specifically in terms of how you're going to manage the thing? Is it a conversation you have? It's a conversation we have, a lot but it's also a little bit like and maybe this one with a little more attention but also a little bit like everything else trying not to think too much, in my case when it comes to babies, Rita thinks too much a lot of people from outside say my God, she attacks the hormones no, no, in fact Rita has always had this desire and actually me too, so it's nothing new but it's a bit of what we're still talking about we don't plan too much we don't plan too much for that either of course, we often talk about the question how would this be? ok, we're here in this country, getting married how would it be? of course we do this exercise permanently we always try to be optimistic we always try but there's also something that I mean, we always try to not take all the rest into account there's something that we like a lot about marriage, but we also like a lot about living and that liking a lot about living for us it's fundamental we need that part of our lives so that later on, marriages happen the way we like it makes us not think too much about this question but yes, it's also an important question and that's it actually, we only do this exercise of course, we know that everything will change but I think maybe we just never took that step because of this thirst for living a thirst for living that nowadays we obviously realize that of course, social media doesn't help in that aspect but in fact we want to do a lot of things and we're kind of at that point where it seems like nothing it seems like it's never the right time to be parents but it's also never the right time for anything else that's why we go slowly we know what's going to happen we know where it's going to happen we're here to solve it but that's it we also prefer not to anticipate too much not to worry too much not to suffer too much in advance that's why it's a good thought because things don't happen when we want them to and sometimes it's for the better and sometimes it's for the worse but it's really super funny because you're never ready to have kids never never you're never ready when Kael got pregnant with Beatriz I was 28 and we didn't even live together nothing in 15 days we got a house everything was in order it was meant to be and then we were there for a while we weren't married we felt like teenagers and then it was necessary to wake up we're almost 30 so... it's ok we're not stupid and then today I'd say if I knew what I know today I would have had kids earlier of course but it's one of those things I love this phrase that is youth is wasted on young people because youth brings you something that maturity doesn't and if you had one in the other it wouldn't work that's true that's why I think it's something that happens when it has to happen but I really wonder because in our area and I know a lot of people go through the same our area is peculiar you're not going to leave your kids in a crèche at Friday at 8 o'clock or at 5 because you go I don't know where to get married the next day and come back on Sunday there's no crèche at this time so these are things that end up it's important for a person to think vaguely because you need support right yes, they are but they are the logistics of the thing and then I define my identity this way I do the best I can and I hope it goes well I think that's it and here comes again that question from a while ago once again there's no recipe and we're going to believe that there's no recipe we try to look at everything in an optimistic way because we already look at a lot of things in a pessimistic way so we try to look at this subject in an optimistic way of course, knowing that everything is going to change but also actually your time is coming actually, I think we don't want to speed up what we're going to be able to feel at the moment when paternity and maternity arrive and then it's going to be another chapter another adventure it's very important for us to know that now, not yet being not yet us being parents we're taking advantage of what we want to do and we're trying to take advantage we only have a dog that we're going to leave at the hotel so we know that there's an extra freedom not having children we're just trying to take advantage of it knowing that one day it will decrease but no we try not to panic too much ok, respect you're going to have time to panic I'll see that's it I accept, yes leaving the problems for the future exactly but I think it's going to be the world is going to be a cuter place when there's a mini Edgar or a mini Rita I think it's going to be it's going to be a cuter place but continuing moving forward a bit still around this but I'd like to ask you in a more aligned way you already said that you don't do big goals in a very defined way or at least very far but how do you do them? Do you make goals concretely for short periods? or are the goals always very organic and very abstract? I like that life is very organic like everything opinions what I think today is going to be what I'm going to think differently tomorrow but I think actually I don't think that's a fragility I think that ends up being for me even a positive force in life which is not getting too attached to something and I think that our goals also the more rigid the harder we're going to be with ourselves with life and the goal is that life is peaceful easy I think we try to work for that that's why goals are very from year to year that is, if we talk about I don't know if you're talking about the staff everything it's curious we started this episode talking about 10 years when Rita and I completed 10 years of being together we were we were in Alentejo and a friend of hers showed up and said man she's one of those friends who has plans for all for every decade for every half-decade and that, for us, even made us confused because we're not like that everything's fine but the next day that day we did no, calm down we're going to be a little bit like those people who plan and actually we managed to achieve some goals for 5 years and it's curious because we notice from time to time we go there to speculate not in one of us judging and realizing if everything is going well or not but but our goals thinking in the more professional part are goals of what we're able to do at that moment we'll have a lot of pleasure to have weddings outside of Portugal but there it is, we don't want to have weddings all of them, I mean not all of them actually we have half a dozen or sometimes 3 or 4 but that that's important to us so if that's important to us we try to make goals in that sense I hope for the year we go at least to 2 or 3 different places outside that will bring us a certain enthusiasm let's... in my case and Rita's it's never the portfolio we know that's a positive side effect but it's to get to know a restaurant there Rita's going to dive in that beach and that's the truth we always try we actually try to abuse what I think during these 10 years something very important happened to us which is we stop serving in this case, Native Birds and start looking at Native Birds serving them because actually we always try calm down we're not giving in to this project no, this project or rather we give in a lot to this project but this project also has a lot to give us in what gives us pleasure in the personal part of life that's why we try to create this balance and always trying to make the most of this project which gives us a lot of work but then we try to get some fruits around that's why it's always this balance of in this big in this big challenge we were talking earlier about working as a couple the biggest challenge is distinguishing what is work from what is leisure Rita and I often confuse that we know that there's a negative side to it but we're very happy when that happens that's why our goals are always aligned with what we want to do where we want to record a wedding in the long run that ends up being it ends up being positive and how do you define success? how do I define success? difficult questions Rui, I've been listening to other podcasts and I think you were much more tall than your friends but you're the younger brother yeah, there's a tendency to be more tall I'm kidding but this question is recurring because there are more important things success is looking for in my case, always the balance but this sentence says nothing the truth is that we work a lot so that the physical and mental well-being our work are always balanced we always know that we could do a lot more for our project but we know that there's always a time there will be a time to improve the site there will be a time to if we want to, change the logo there will be a time to improve this copy that was in a strict way it made sense a year or two ago it doesn't make sense now but everything is moving at such a high speed that our success when we achieve it is to try to slow down and once again put the reins on our side and be the ones in charge of Native Birds and not the Native Birds in charge of us I think that success is a lot of that it's trying year after year to be more free the goal is to work less to be able to work for our goals goals, whether they are financial whether they are going to visit that country we love to travel, it's a truth it's implicit but that's it success is a bit of that it's to surpass ourselves to feel that we are doing better than we were doing better in the previous year and to realize that and to realize that, besides being better if what we are doing is in line with what gives us pleasure or not and trying to make that evaluation permanently in a way it's almost like connecting the sensors and realizing if the compatibility sensor between more money is aligned or not with what gives us more pleasure because if it's not we have to reorganize everything again I think this is important just in the sense that once again, we go back to the issue of enthusiasm keeping the enthusiasm for years and years long, doing the same thing I think that or we try to permanently create this balance between joy and and the other goals so that if we ignore that part I'm sure that we will more quickly give up You were touching a little bit on the part of the investor syndrome when you charge more and when you go down that path the path that you are receiving more, doing more better and more expensive marriages does that increase your investor syndrome? or do you deal with it calmly? No let's see I'm never calm I don't get married we have a friend who calls me afflicted no, the truth is for me, success is that I will answer you in a double way it's always trying and more and more with the confidence I'm gaining over time to get to a marriage that I can feel that marriage is an extra challenge it's an extra challenge because everything happens at the same time and this, once again I didn't want to complain it's not a complain but in the question of the video ok, I want to ensure that I have a good drone image I want to ensure that I have a great audio of that moment at the same time I want to have a multi-camera here a plan and a background for Rita, which is amazing ok, and as that progress increases or they pay us more to do our job it naturally increases that responsibility to do that better and better but the investor syndrome is disconnected from all of this I can keep thinking even if people say look, this video is cool it gave me a cool vibe cool, look, good but the investor syndrome also I think it was about to exist because I'm always associated with a lot more things I remember everything I went through it's a bit like the syndrome we were talking about maternity I think it's a bit a mother who and there you go, we'll never go through that but she has a child she will always have the traumas of having had that child because it's inevitable there are no traumas that's why I think that's the way there are traumas that's why I have that recorded and that's why my investor syndrome increases it doesn't get better because my clients get better or because they pay me more in any way I think I'm much better nowadays I, in fact I told you a little while ago I like what we're doing a year or two or three years ago I would never say this phrase that's why it's important to like what we're doing even if in a year I don't like it again you're telling me let me see if I understand this part and I think I understand but one of the things you were talking about at the beginning about comparisons we have this problem which is, we know we know I'll try to find a more beautiful word to say in podcast but we know what we're doing right we're working and we know our poses right but after the others we only see the final product and for me I think a lot of the investor syndrome and the difficulties that we sometimes feel come from that I know the worst photo I took I know the amount of weak photos I take during a wedding even if in the end the collection I deliver is extraordinary but we don't see the flaws of the others and then sometimes we think that the others are always that would you say that's one of your one of the points where you suffer is one of the of course I see the crap I do that is fortunately I'm the only one who sees the crap I do but the secret is do you have advantages? I think that actually there's something that is if we don't take ourselves too seriously this investor syndrome decreases deflates strange word but that's the truth there's something that is Imagine, I'm editing a video. If I'm hating what I'm editing, I restart from scratch. What's the worst that can happen? It's restarting from scratch. And... I mean, I think if we don't take ourselves so seriously and reduce that weight a bit, the investor syndrome empties out. But that's actually what I try to do, obviously, to work on my brain and to say, You know how to do this, you've been doing this for 10 years. But it ends up being... It ends up being inevitable, right? Because self-esteem is often not high. But I think that's it. I see everything we do. But there's something here that I think also helps me. And suddenly it seems like a self-help session. But the truth is that... I think I have well-done fantasies. Well-done in the sense that you make an effort to do them. It's not well-done, it's... I speak with gusto and go for it, and run, and make that image. I think there's something that's implicit, which is... We work on the suddenness. It's okay for marriages to sometimes have more... Right timelines, and even better. But I think that we... It's a marriage of people, and people are crazy. And I'm glad they are, because it's what, in my case and Rita's, keeps us so connected to marriages. It's always waiting for that improvised thing, that scream that came up, as genuine as possible, and that was a little bit out of the timeline. And that balance, that's how we always like to look at our videos, that balance between the right thing, and what wasn't planned. Just because what's planned is more fun, it gives us more kick, right? And I think that. I think that, in this situation, that happens a lot. Knowing that it's a day of improvisation, I can scream, I can run to catch that moment. I want that moment to be recorded by me, because that moment is genuine. Screaming is genuine too. Of course, I work so that it's not like that, but... But that's it. Actually, I hope no one ever comes to you and sees my external records. No, not at all. Now I'm completely at ease. You can see everything. I think we are pretenders. We work to pretend. We can only pretend, being as definitive as possible, your reality. From the moment you put on your glasses, if you put on a 50mm or an 85mm, you're already pretending. You're already selecting, cutting, blurring, choosing the information that comes in and out. So, in that aspect... Many years ago, this great man, Carlos Ferreira, told me a very interesting story. We were at a wedding, and he had been hired for that wedding, because he had been married to some friends of that couple. We were talking and he told us a story that I saw when he met those grooms. They told him, you're a liar. Carlos showed them a video, I think it was a friend's video, of someone they had been with. And the couple said, you're the liar. Because I was at that wedding and he didn't look so cool. It's true, it's true. It's the same question. Yes, in the video you have this ability, because you see my photos, that's what happened. They are static, some more interesting than others, but they are static things you see in a static way. You have a difference. You can have the same person, who captured a certain event, and then you send it to two editors and it will be a completely different story, a completely different style. You can have much more liars than photographers. Just to be registered here. Yes, yes. People say the poet is a fake, maybe videographers are fake too. I don't know if you realized, I'm comparing a poet. Yes, yes, but I agree with you. I have a great pleasure in the video, I like it a lot, because I'm a very auditive person, my art is music, of course, and I'm much more, I get emotional with the words, I get emotional with the words said, much more than with the words written. And the video for me brings this thing, that you have the audio, you have the sound, and for me, as much as I like photographs, I don't get emotional seeing a static photograph, but I get emotional seeing a video, mainly because of the music. I understand. The junction of the emotions. But it's a scene that is super interesting to me. Music brings us to a place, even if you have your eyes closed. In that aspect, we have music in our favor. I think. And still, right? Leaving a little bit of the plan, but it's interesting, because lately, if you asked me, I would always say that I don't like classical music. Until I realized that soundtracks are classical music. And I thought, no, I love this, so maybe I like classical music. Because I'm able to listen to hours and hours, I don't know, from Gladiator's soundtrack, or Interstellar's soundtrack, or from, let's say, DiCaprio's movie, Inception. So, you have a series of soundtracks that put you, or for example, Da Vinci's soundtrack, or Cavalier's soundtrack, or, I don't know, there's a music from the third movie, or something like that, which is extraordinary. So, when I enter there, especially in Inception, I listen to the soundtrack and say, I'm there, I'm in a very foreign place, and the music takes me to that point. It's extraordinary. That's why we do slideshows. Of course, of course. Basically, that's it. That's the factor. And it starts like that. Moving a little bit forward, let's go. Tell me a story that has changed your perspective on life. Or intensified one that you already have. Or a way of seeing life that you already had or already believed in. An experience that has either changed or intensified. Whether or not it's related to marriage. I don't know. I have many stories. I'm very attached to smaller stories, other bigger ones. I'm very attached to stories, but it's strong, in fact, the part of changing a life. There it is. I don't know if any story has changed my life. No, but you can tell two stories. So, try to be very quick. One... I remember that... I don't want to be quick, we have time. Well, sorry. I have this habit. I'm afraid people will find me uninteresting, so I say, Lord, it's going to be quick. You know your journalism. So, I always think about my way of speaking. First, I have to do the lead. Like, when, where, I don't know. To always keep people connected. I should have done this more often. For the people who are just listening, I'm pointing to the camera, with my two index fingers, as if I were a YouTuber. No, the truth is that... I'm going to tell this story that had a certain weight in my story, in Rita's story, and also in the story of Native Birds. There was a time, as you know, who knows Rita. And you, Rui, know Rita. You know Rita. She's a very dear, very cute person. She smiles with her eyes, she smiles with everything there is to smile. The goal is to connect with everyone, and always stay in a connection with people. And, in fact, there was a time when we were getting married. It wasn't even one of the first weddings we did abroad. And all that wedding was being good, good, exciting. I don't know, the bride said, it was a wedding, nothing classic, nothing elegant. The bride, nowadays... I mean, the bride said, but you're wearing pants, let's wear pants. And even that, for us, was important, because of that thing of, but there's no... I don't have to comply. Now I realize that I will comply. If I have to be, in fact, I'm not. If I have to wear pants, I'm not. And that secret of knowing how to adapt to what people are. But that's it. In that wedding, the wedding happened until the end. And just to make a... No, I'll say it at the end. At a certain point, there was a man who was sitting next to the bride's father, who came to see Rita. He came to Rita and said, look, I need to tell you something. I felt such empathy for you. Look, I'm the bride's father's boyfriend. But I'm here as a friend, as a best friend. Sorry, I couldn't not tell this to someone. You seemed like a person who had to understand this. So, I really wanted to tell you this. The bride knows. The bride's mother knows. They were divorced. So, there was nothing hidden. But it was almost a facade for the rest of the guests, for the friends. You know? The bride's father works in a, I'll say, conservatory, but in a style of civil registry, in England. It's still a monarchical country. Things aren't really that easy. But yes, we've been a couple for 20 years. Something like that. Rita was very moved. She went to the bathroom to cry, she cried a lot, she came back. That man told me this. And in the end, he came to tell us that, Rita told me that, and I was like, wow, my God, Rita, you really have that power over people, to feel that they can talk to you. And he liked Rita so much, that in the end he came to tell me, look, you should ask Rita to marry you. She's a very good person. And she agreed. In Barcelona. In other words, I told him, don't tell him, but it's tomorrow. It's tomorrow that I'm going to ask him to marry me. And this was very funny, because it was a perfect harmony, it was a very positive set of events. The truth is that years later, we got married, and they sent us a set of copies, I don't know what, very dear, they went to the English altar and decided, let's send a set. In fact, it's a very small story, of a marriage, but this story ended up teaching us that, and all that was for what? She wanted a picture. He wanted a picture. And I was trying to find someone in the photo and video team, someone he could trust. And then Rita told the photographer, you have to go there and take that picture, because they won't ask you to, to not send false signals, or in this case, true signals, but you can go there and take the picture. This, for us, has taught us that marriages are, live on very special places, many of them are darker than others, but this story, for me, had this positive impact, of realizing that we can always be even more sympathetic, even more attentive, hear even better, and the truth is that when we hear better the bride, the groom, the parents, the people who are there, we do a much cooler job, because we hear people. I loved the story, and it's exactly what you said before, that people are crazy, and that's exactly where the magic of marriage is, because marriages are all the same. It's earlier, it's later, it's this, it's that, it's religion, it's civil, it's everything, basically, you have a formula that everyone follows, and that's the good part for us, so we can see a little bit of what happens. Apart from that, there are 150, 100 or 150 different people, and suddenly you have a completely different dynamic, and those are the moments, those are the stories, those things you say, that's why it's worth it, because you have some that are normal, and that are just boring, and all that is part of it, but then you have those that make you continue. Yes, yes, yes, without a doubt, and I think people are, in fact, special, and it's important to hear them. This story has, in fact, this positive weight, humanistic, in us, but yes, you have more stories, do you like stories? Well, I like a lot of stories, if you have something interesting, I'm here to hear you. From the moment you asked for stories, I remembered. Let me just do this for you. You filled out that questionnaire, right? Ah, right, my God. I think I'll fill it out today, again. Well, you can fill it out again, if you have ideas, you're at ease. I'm still waiting for the reward. Let's have dinner. What I'm available to offer to the community, says Arroz de Pato. But what I wanted to say with this was, there is a part where you have, where I ask who you would like to see, who you would like me to invite, and all that. And there was someone, I don't remember exactly who, but I know it was the videographer, I know it was the videographer, I don't remember exactly who it was, who said like this, I don't want to know, I don't care who's coming, I want to hear good stories, I don't care if it's a marriage colleague, or if it's an old man telling a story. And now you're putting it all together, we have an old man from marriage telling stories. Deep down, you're an old soul, right? You're young, but you have an old soul. I try to fool you, but I'm an old soul. But yes, you were going to tell the story. Tell, just because I think it makes sense. There was a time when, in fact, I still have a certain obsession with training. I still do. I think it's important to do something every year. It's almost like doing psychotherapy, sometimes it's hearing what you know, in other words. But the truth is that many years ago, the only time I went to Brazil was four days ago. I landed in Brazil, I entered a hotel, I had a training, and I came back. When people ask me if I've been to Brazil, I always say no. The truth is that I went, but I didn't see Brazil. At the time, I went to that training, and it was very cool. I got there, I only saw a video, it was a two-day video. And he said, where are you from? I said, I'm from Portugal. He said, Portugal! My inspirations are all in Portugal. I said, but the ticket cost money. I went to Brazil for him to tell me his inspirations. I understood. He told me that, and I understood. He told me they weren't wedding inspirations, but let's see. Suddenly, he presents everything. He's a crazy videographer, but a good one. He's the Manuel Oliveira of weddings. He uses a camera, a tripod, the action... That shot can have three minutes, and it's the shot he puts in the film. He's an artist, and he does it in a very good way. Of course, I doubt that would be... That would become a trend. That's what I mean. It's a very small thing. Meanwhile, he starts taking his equipment and putting it on the table. Just as a reference, he said, my favorite director is Pedro Costa. I said, I've seen some of his films. He said, really? I love what he does. I said, that's strange. Suddenly, he starts taking his equipment and says, let's see this camera... He was the founder of 50 of us. Let's see this camera. Me and my girlfriend took a note every month. We made a note accordion. With a needle and a line, we were drilling the note. We made a note accordion and finally I managed to buy the camera. This is the camera I use. We were full of equipment. There was a gimbal, a drone, cameras, audios, recorders. He's the founder. He almost doesn't have equipment. Yes, these iron lenses I have are the lenses I use. I was in a audience, mostly Brazilians, I think they were all Brazilians, in an audience that was wrong. They were looking for those people and I was that person. Go to an art shop waiting for the magic formula. This idiot is going to teach me. I'm going to be the best. He had everything to teach, except magic formulas. The story of the accordion was always marked because, in fact, it wasn't because he had more equipment, it wasn't because he had little. It wasn't because I left Portugal to go to Brazil. It wasn't because I was going to learn more or less. I think that's it. We just need to be interested. And even a little bit in that old thing of permanently buying equipment. I think it's a little bit like that. Never forget if we're already using the previous one well or if we're already discarding it just because it's a trend. But that's it. I loved the story of the accordion. I loved it. It was a piece of cake because you really have a lot of money to go and listen to his inspirations in Portugal. But look, I loved the story, it makes perfect sense because it makes a perfect connection with what I wanted to ask you next. We often look far for inspiration, for training, for help, for all those formulas and sometimes we have it on our side. And what I wanted to ask you is what do you think, in this path where you started, where you are now and where you want to go, what is our tribe, your community, the people who are close to you, what do you think is the role that we all have in that? Yes, if we were a bubble, we were still in Covilhã doing weddings with 400 guests, which in fact didn't give us the pleasure of recording those weddings, just because it's not for us. And the truth is that this obsession year after year, being with other people and doing workshops and listening, I fully agree with what you say, this story proves that, you don't have to go far, but you have to go to new places. That's what I think. I think that, once again, and this is also attached to what I said earlier, if Rita and I at some point didn't think that we needed to listen beyond what we already heard, and what we already heard were the people who were immediately on our side. I think there had to be an effort on our side to move away, but this is a distance, not a distance, but it's a distance to an area where you're not. Talking to people, there's something that I've come to realize, at the beginning, when we started, we loved to work with the same photographers, the photographers also loved to work with us. That's amazing, it made me believe that it was always like that. And the truth is that there was a period in London where we loved it to be just like that. But now we've realized that it's much easier, because we love people, because we have fun with people, because we see that perspective... we already know what the other person will do, it's much easier. I can tell you that this year we will never have photographers... I mean, there's no photographer that I will be this year that I've already been to. That I've already been to. You get it? That I've already been to. And the truth is, it's much more difficult. Of course it was good to have people like you, people that are family, that are like, everything's fine. It brings a feeling of... It's all so easy, it's all intuitive. As new people, that intuition is lost. But I think we have a lot to gain from those new people. So there's something that's lost, but it's also very important. And I think it's always stupid, this year, we're going to have to make that effort to get closer to other people. But, at least half of the year, new professionals will show up. And that's what, a lot of times, the trips abroad bring us. That's it. It's very important to hear, I think, not only who's immediately on our side, and who wants the best for us, and who helps us a lot. And in that aspect, you played a huge role. When you were talking about my brother, I'm sure, and that's why... You tell me, I wasn't there, but you say that he said several times that his brother helped him. The truth is that, there it is. Fortunately, my brother had me, and he had a group of people, also big, around him, that helped him through a lot of hard times, that he, if he were a bubble, would take longer. And we're exactly the same. It's fundamental to always be with new people. I've done several one-to-ones, I've done, I don't know, Rita has already offered me, in these ten years, I can say I've had two birthdays, Rita's gift to me, was, one of the times, going to Manchester, already, six, seven years ago, going to Manchester to meet Philip White, at the time he was at Berra, nowadays, more or less. But, actually, with a very different style, from what I once did, and a very different style, from what I once did, from what I once did, and a very different style, from what I once did, and a very different style, we learn from everyone, but we need to be with them to learn from them. And this is no different, if we're with younger people. I think we learn a lot from younger people. Of course, it depends on the younger ones. The younger ones need to have that thirst, to search, to optimize, thirst for life, thirst for a lot of things. But I think you learn a lot from everyone. I think you were talking about something before, I would like to use different words, but I think you said it perfectly, because at the beginning, you're very closed to yourself, and then, when you meet someone, I think you leave yourself too much, and then you start making comparisons, and you think that everything that's out there, and then you need to make the reverse trip, later, I mean, I already met part of the world, now let me go back to understand what I want, what I like. And you do everything you want. I think it's that cycle of, let me drink, let me go back inside, to understand what it is for me. I think it's a... I think it's very important to leave, but the goal, sooner or later, is always to come back. But I think the only way to come back, with more knowledge, to come back stronger, to come back more confident, because what we do, is what we can be doing, I think that's only possible when we leave. We all leave, to go from here to Spain. To leave, sometimes, is just that, it's to hear better, it's to meet a person, with age, so, you called me an old soul, and it's not a lie, with age, there's a greater rush to meet new people. But, the attempt to meet a new person, is very good, because you're going to ask that question, that no other friend around you has ever asked, or because you're complex, or because you already know yourself, you're not going to bother, you're not going to ask that question. It's very... I'm going to give you an example, we started in this... in a very large number of weddings, not imposed by us, we always wanted to make a few, the older people who listen to us, call us mandrians. First of all, I love the word mandrian, but, that's not a lie. It's the first time on the podcast, and only because it's you, because the podcast is in Portugal. My only contribution, is trying to say words on this podcast, that have never been said. That's true. Parrots, have they been said? About you, probably. No, no. No, but they could. No, but they could. I try, when we start recording, I try to speak little. No, no. If there's one thing I don't do, it's speak little. No, no. It's incredible. No, this is actually a conversation. But it was just a free provocation. Exactly. Actually, we had a wedding, a short time ago, between... This year we have about 18 weddings, and at a certain point, that photographer who was working with us, a French photographer, came to have so many weddings, of phases, per year. And I said, we have 18. I would like to celebrate the 20th, but this year we have 18. And he said, just so you understand, he's French. Yes, French. You really do a lot. And the truth is, for the first time, it went around. It's important to hear, to hear this too. It's important to hear that there isn't... I think it's important to do a good amount of weddings. I think your teams are good, because the tracking, the rhythm, is also important. The best, I don't know, the best stand-up comedians, or even the best artists, need to rehearse a lot of times. It's very important to do a lot of weddings, that keep us focused. To keep looking, I think there's a minimum value for a healthy wedding. But, it's also important to start realizing, calm down, there's no need, there's not just one way to do it, there's not just the quantity. That's it. Just to give you a mini-example, that made me think, momentarily, and that's it, that's what photographers from abroad bring us. Professional photographers. In reality, you know that, if you want to learn, it's with photographers. I'm just kidding, just to provoke you, because I learned a lot. You know that, a while ago, you were talking about having worked with a lot of different people, and some of us, 8 or 9 years ago, maybe not so much, I started thinking about this cool shit, I'm going to take it to the video, because it's a spectacular way to make more money. And then you work, like, I make my team, we make our team, it's spectacular, you know, you don't get weird people, like, the Edgars, and some scenes that are sometimes difficult, and you control the scene like hell. But, this was a conversation that we only had for a few months, but then we got to a point where we said, no, I don't want to. I don't want to leave, at the time, and I'm still, fortunately, at least once a year, I meet Carlos. And I have one, which is less usual, because he's in Lisbon, and we don't always do it, but it's usual. And at the time, we had a series of 2 or 3 colleagues that we met regularly. And the idea was, I don't want to leave, I don't want to make my team always be the same. I want to have... Yes, I learned a lot working with Fábio, I learned a lot working with Ivo, with Carlos, even technical issues. We're talking about 3 geeks, and I learned a lot. I mean, this issue of working with different people, of having teams that are not always the same. This, sometimes, I think, is a good advice, if it was an advice, but I think it's an important thing for wedding planners and not always working with the same teams, because otherwise you get too stuck in a certain way. And, like, that's what you're saying, when you gain experience working with more people, I think, it can be more difficult, but those difficulties will make you grow and make you evolve. Without a doubt. And I always felt that a lot. No, you have to amplify, you have to be around us. Yes, yes. Yes, without a doubt. Look, to close, I have a little question, a little bit, to close, exactly, no, I have two questions that I couldn't do. And it's a question that came up to me because I think it's really funny and I still don't know exactly the answer and I'd like to know your opinion, which is, why do you think that since, this is a little before you, but why do we have communities of photographers, of videographers, sometimes inseparably, but mostly together, so, so good, so, so close with so many friends, with so many people who know each other and become truly friends and family, why do you think that in other areas it doesn't happen as much? In other areas? In marriage, in marriage. In marriage, I don't know, but, for example, DJs don't meet? Yes, actually, the idea that I have, I'm a little bit off, but what I have, from what I have, cake designers, makeup artists, wedding planners, I haven't spoken to any DJ yet, but these other areas, designers, for example, everyone tells me that I'm always the photographer, I know that photographers and videographers meet and such, but, I don't know anyone, the makeup artists don't meet, they don't speak, the cake designers, etc. Yes. What is your... Actually, I know very little about the communities of other people, of other areas, DJs, makeup artists, wedding planners. Now, if I had to guess, I think that there has to be, in fact, a better ability of opening, it was that which I was telling you. We also, if we listen only to the people on our side, even within what are the photographers and videographers, I think that we can't be rigid to the point of, well, I do this, well, I think... And of course, this may seem a criticism that I'm not actually doing because I don't know, because they don't give up. There's another... I have another theory, but they're just theories, you know, I never know, but if you had bands, you can prove to me if this is true or not. I've always heard that the drummer of the bands is the coolest, is the most... It's a lie. Let me just answer, I'll tell you yes, even if it's a lie. You're the drummer, aren't you? I was the drummer, yes. Ah, you're right. My brother was a guitarist and one of my best friends, the godfather of my third son, was a vocalist. And what I heard for years was the joke of, do you know what it's called, do you know what it's called who goes with the musicians? Drummer. Yes, I know. But I think that activates these theories, right? I don't know anything about bands, but there was a very big moment that I thought the videographers, specifically the videographers, they were really, they were very united, were the drummers of the band, of the weddings. We were those, well, it's all good, right? Ah, your photographer almost snatched my eye to take the picture. It's all good, the plan is not so important. It's all cool. We thought it was a good vibe. Now, in fact, I don't know if this is true. And I'm analyzing the videographers and photographers. But let me, really, it's a, I had never thought of it that way, but I think it's a good analogy. Because, truly, the drummer is not the coolest of all, clearly not. But exactly because the drummer knows that he will never be the band leader, he will never be the person, except for Lars, Metallica, but together with James Hetfield, who is the vocalist, he is the most humble. The most... In his case, no. In the drummers, in general. And in Tommy Lee's section, too. Tommy Lee, I don't think, was very humble. But, in general, the drummer knows that he will never be the star. And he knows that no song ever starts with a piece of drums. Yes. And this feeling that we drummers have, says, ok, I will never be the star, my job is to bear and help to make this better. The videography, mainly, I will talk about the modern one, the one that I saw appearing since 2010, because before that it wasn't videography, it was simply things recorded in... Right, right. This new videography emerged, you are included, Carlos, this spectacular group is included, it brought talent, but it still came with some stigma, because photographers have been demanding in marriage for decades. Obviously. So, there was an entry with this stigma that you, well, were able to leave, because today you know that the videos that are made are extraordinary films, that have exactly the same importance, and for some couples they have more, and it's all natural. And it's all right like that. But really, you had to leave and say, ok, I matter, I have my place, I matter as much as yours, and maybe even more for this couple. Yes, yes, yes. You have a fight, you have a fight, of course. Yes, yes, and that fight existed, and also fight of heroes, but, fortunately, fights no longer happen. But I also don't enter because of that, I think we have already managed to affirm ourselves in a certain way, wait, now it's your time, now it's mine, and it's a fight in a marriage, we have to, our biggest fight, and I think this is the biggest challenge, is to have that in the end, it works, and no one runs over anyone, and it's a more difficult fight. But I also think there can be another thing here, I don't know, in terms of communities, I don't do, I don't understand that much, actually, I believe that there is a professionalization of what can be the professionalization of photographers and that professionalization takes time, because of everything you were saying before, right? This, many times, was a second job, it was an extra salary, so I believe that it takes time for that professionalization to exist. Now, between communities, I'm admitting that the professionalization can distance people, and maybe in the carpenters, in the DJs, I believe that they can be more professional, I don't know, I don't know, I can't quantify it. I know that we need to be more open, actually, to other people, and actually, there is that thing I was telling you about deceleration, we need to decelerate to be able to listen to us, to always go at a thousand speed, or me and Rita always traveling completely, we get completely exhausted and without time and energy for other people, I don't know, you have three kids, I don't know if you've talked about being without time and energy, but we can open a podcast. I can't be without what I don't have, you see? I think that's it, people have their own lives, and I think it's important in this area, I think if a good professional wants to look at the schedule, he can't think it's part of the job to be with people, we can have pleasure or not in being with these people, I don't know the DJs, I don't know, why don't wedding DJs organize a festival, and we all go to the DJs' festival, one acts one hour, the other the other, I think that's spectacular, I think that's fantastic. In our case, there are three parts, three disciplines of marriage that I understand why they can even unite more easily, in the case of photography and DJ, this also includes wedding planners, for a simple reason, you arrive at a wedding, you're there in the morning, and you leave at night, and these three disciplines are always there, you can find them sporadically, but naturally these force you to get together more, but more than this theory, in reality, I don't have more information. I think it can be controversial, but I think we, photographers and videographers, are the ones who perceive weddings the most, wedding planners will hate hearing this, as we are from beginning to end in many, that is, I think we see the good and the bad of each service, I think we should be consultants, more often consultants. No, I agree with what you say, although we are also having a professionalization and a very large entrance of excellent wedding planners, we have photographers for decades, we have videographers also for decades, we have exhibitions maybe for a decade and a half or two, and wedding planners we are having this decade, that is, it is a very small part. When things finish, they may, I say they because most of them are women, but in general all wedding planners will have the same experience or more than us, because while we have some wedding planners who are from start to finish, others who are only part of the work, others who don't go to the preparatory if they are at the groom's and the bride's house. But that's why I think it's really a transition that I think is super interesting and that I appreciate because having a lot of people who are still doing a job in a very basic way, but you also start to see people doing extraordinary work and if this wedding planner community gets together and start talking more about what has been happening between us for a few decades, I think it will be, and looking forward in the next 10 or 20 years, in general I think it will be a transition that I think is super interesting and that I appreciate because having a lot of people who are still doing a job in a very basic way, but you also start to see people doing extraordinary work and if this wedding planner community gets together and start talking more about what has been happening between us for a few decades, I think it will be a transition that I think is super interesting and that I appreciate because having a lot of people who are still doing a job in a very basic way, but you also start to see people doing extraordinary work and if this wedding planner community gets together and start talking more about what has been I noticed that a while ago when you were saying you wanted to travel you said, I want to travel because I want to go to that restaurant Yes And now you say, well, it went well because Chef de Sala brought me a second table It's a simple man, it's called simplicity Exactly, food doesn't play an important role in your life, clearly It plays a role, it's a part of it No, no, no, that's not true You work in weddings because that's where you eat a lot and well, right? Yes It's the only reason Yes, I found the best of both worlds That's it No, actually not everyone eats well, Vado, we have to be honest True The question is this, sometimes, I went to the dessert, but Sometimes it's that, sometimes it's Chef de Sala already made a joke No, I don't know what I won the day with that joke And this amuses me a lot, it brings me closer to people Doing weddings brings me closer to people who have given me a lot of pleasure to meet And that's it, if in the next 10 years I continue to achieve this balance between what I want and what I need And what you and Rita want to do That's it, of course, continuing to get to know the world is something that Makes sense to us Within this, doing weddings abroad But always this way, kind of sporty Who goes, who goes already a week before to actually Get to know a little bit around That's it, the main goal for these 10 years is to never Never forget this that we were talking about earlier Which is that I'm not just Permanently serving a project And being able to serve the project more times than the other way around I think if this happens in the next 10 years, it will be good And that's it, it's continuing I think the podcast ended up being interesting because We were talking about that thing, when I was talking about confidence I think that here also I still hope to gain at least double the confidence I have Because I think I lack this double confidence To have more certainty and be more at ease That what I'm doing is what I want to do That it can be a stupid idea As it can be the best idea And bring the best image home Because from a stupid idea that came to a place That's it, it's testing myself less and less And that's it, I hope that during the next 10 years Rita and I can be very happy doing this Or we can open a pizza stand and everything will be fine But look, the best pizzas I've ever eaten were in Italy At weddings But look, the best pizzas I've ever eaten And I think I'm not going to lie I'm trying to remember just to be sure That I'm not consciously lying The best pizzas I've ever eaten were at Gery's house And they were made by you I don't know, I don't know if they were... I gave my best No, they were, they were great You just came out of the oven In a way, an extraordinary mix of flavors And very out of the box I loved it, it was great That's it, I think that... Now that we're talking about pizzas I think it's really important This balance between Personal life and professional life It's really good to be thirsty for everything Knowing that we'll never be able to have everything But never disconnect from this A whole afternoon making pizzas It gives us that pleasure But of course, this is a very big balance Because you need to earn money on one side To have free time on the other But that's it Rita and I work a lot for that To earn time, to earn quality of life So that when the babies arrive It won't be such a big shock Like, I can only stand 30 weddings So that people keep doing the gesture To the camera with two indicators To give a young air No, but that's it That's the cycle That's all I had to say To work to earn time So that the children, life Or none of this, weddings Whatever it is That's it Earning time and peace of mind My dear, thank you very much It was a pleasure We were here for two more hours And we should have been Thank you I think there's a lot to talk about But we'll find a place To put everything in order A big hug A kiss for Rita See you soon We've reached the end of this episode And if you liked it I ask you to subscribe to my podcast And see you next week