"Eu não vivo para trabalhar!"

episode: 40 title: "Ep. 40 - "Eu não vivo para trabalhar!", com Maria Ferreira" pub_date: "Mon, 30 Jun 2025 05:00:00 +0000" original_language: english source_audio: "14613de3.mp3"

Hello, welcome. I'm Rui and this is the The Wack Podcast. You were so nervous to talk to me, Maria. Oh my God, that's so funny. Good, holy patience. Can we start? We can! Let's start then. Hello, Maria. Hello, Rui. How are you? You look very ready. Very, very ready. I was born ready. Exactly, you are very anxious about this. We noticed and basically you delayed this as much as possible. Exactly, I tried not to think too much about the situation. But let's go. I'm with you. But don't put that voice like that. I'm going to be forced to put a more... No. First, thank you. You are welcoming me here. True. In this beautiful space. In our studio. Yes, thank you. I've been here on the podcast. Welcome to the Wack. How to present a podcast. Some people think it's a self-definition. I've had a lot of people here who were first in something. So, it's with some... With some nostalgia, with some special pleasure that I have here the first person who coincided with the wedding. Oh my God. Here we go. In 2015. 2014. Because I already had my belly. Exactly. I remember we met like it was yesterday in Brasileira. Exactly. And I know exactly... Look, I have a weak memory. I know exactly that. When you enter, there is a bench with a mirror. And you were on the side of the wall. I was on this side. I remember perfectly. Really. And it's really funny. A person is used to memorizing their traumas. That's why. Exactly. From there, it could have gone very well. But look, they are alive. No, we've been through some things. It's true. We're not going to talk about them. But we've been through some very special and difficult things. But we're not going there. And very good. Exactly. And good too. Look, I'm going to start from the beginning. Who are you? Oh my God. Because I already know you very well. I'm Maria. We have a company, you are in the video. So I've been in this business for 20 years. Once I started working more or less in... I remember because it was in Euro 2004. So we're in 2025. So I've been filming for 20 years. I didn't start in the area of weddings. I started with companies. But in fact, weddings came in and I liked it. And I was always the one who had companies at home. Those who have a company are also at home. And so it was always this rebellion. And I'm 44 years old. I have two children. I'm pregnant. It's true that sometimes I wish I had been in other cities. But the truth is that Braga treats us very well. And we created a very strong relationship here. A very strong network. Of friendship and professionalism. It's a fact. And Alexandre also had a lot of responsibility for that. And so here we are. And today we are two here at STAI. We were three. It was just me. I thought it was impossible to have someone who worked like me. Or with me. Or whatever. I'm glad that old Maria stayed behind. Because in fact, it's very cool to work in a team. Especially when you have a cool team. Exactly. Which is not the case, but it has to be one day or not. You touched on a point. You are in Braga. But you are not from Braga. You are from Castelo Verde, right? Right, right, right. You came here to study. You came to Braga University. My idea was to leave the village. I really like the Alcaíns. But at the age of eight, the first option was Braga. The second was Faro. So it was my will to go. And that's how it was. And in fact, I entered here at the University of Domingos. In Social Communication. I'm glad, because if I had gone to Faro, I would have gone to International Relations. Which has nothing to do with it. It has, but that's it. I thought that the International Relations gave a lot of value. So I entered here. I met Alexandre here at the University. Then I studied at Porto, at Whitescreen. That's where I did ... Where the path began to take shape, to materialize, whatever. And then we went to Vienna. It was in Vienna that I started in the wedding part. Then we had to leave Vienna. Because Vienna, despite being an incredible city, is a city that is a little bit paraded. And therefore ... And it's very small, right? And it's very small. But I even liked it. It was a city that left me ... I lived 10 meters ... In the center, I worked 10 meters. I can't talk here either. I'm not very far either. But I would go to sleep ... I would have lunch, I would have a nap. Or at the end of the day I could still run to the beach. Or I could still go to the mountains, to Santa Luzia. And therefore, the quality of life was very good. But in fact, our area needs ... Body moving. So we went back to Braga again. And the truth is that ... There were people in Braga who were calling for me. And I granted their wish. And I went back to Braga. And now you have more years in Braga. I already have more years in Braga. Yes, I'm 44. So I came here with the wish. 26. So ... 26 years in Braga. You are already from Braga. Yes. No? Ready. I'm good in Braga. I'm good in Braga. But it's funny you talk about it. Because Orlindo sometimes calls me and tells me like this. And it's not just Orlindo. Other people told me. I'm on your land. And I ask right away. What are you going to do with the white crystal? And people tell me. But you are in the white crystal. I'm in Braga. And the other day Orlindo said. Look, I'm on your land. And he says. What are you doing in Porto? And I say. No, I'm in Vila Real. Because he is from Vila Real. And it's funny. This thing of your land. It's really cool. Because my land is still the white crystal. But you are from the roots. Right. But if someone tells me. I was on your land. I don't say Braga. I'm not going to think it's in Braga. But of course. I can't. But you have your roots in Castelo Branco. Yes. Yes. You created the new ones here. Yes. Your life is here. But you still feel the roots there. No doubt. No doubt. And I already have that nostalgia. To make the way to someone by car. And on the highway. Thinking. When will be the last day. That I'm doing this trip. Do you think about it? Oh, I think. Because. Of course. They are my parents. I don't know. But that death. For me. It's always a very present theme. Yes. But. But. But. I understand. In the perspective of. Of. Of. Of. Of. There's a may go through. But. But. I mean. Maybe. Normally. And there are consistencies. So our work. There are. This time. But one. Of times. And sometimes. To want to perpetuate some moments. And sometimes. It even makes me enjoy the present more. At the moment. Because if I think that this is not forever. And there will be a time. Which is the last time. I do not live obsessed with thinking about the last time. But I live obsessed with wanting to enjoy more. Until it's the last time. But do you think about doing something. That keeps that land. Like yours. Or is it just going to be. No. There will be a day. It has to be the memory. Yeah. One day it's going to be the memory. Like. I have there. Some friends. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. You started kind of by chance, right? You went with Manoel, I don't remember the name. Totally by chance. Totally by chance. Because. I finish. The degree. I'm going to intern for Whitescreen in Porto. Which was a company that. Filmed shows. We had an outside car. Sports events. We did a thousand and five hundred things. But above all. I really wanted to play with the material. And so it was a producer. That despite not having much work. I had the whole scene available to us. So I started playing with those old cameras. The 400, the 450, the 490. The television Sony. That are still used today. And I had. I had an outside car. I had a mixing table. I had cranes. The first Gimbals. Those that still had some pieces. That was really heavy. It was all very heavy. And we played with that. I remember there were days when we didn't have much work. And we really played. We created scripts, stories. That we filmed each other. It was me, Francisco and Petra. And so the three of us played. And while we were playing. We were learning. The internship ends. And in the meantime. I'm going to Vienna. And I'm going to meet the director. This is my body. And I say. I'm going to make a movie. I'm going to use this time. To read the book. And I'm going to pass this book to the cinema. And the book is all written down. I have this book. I used to go to the beach. In my little boat. I was in front of the sea. And I gave it to an artist. And I read. I had some jobs. But it was very little. And there's this guy. He calls me and says. I need someone here. Because my colleague is leaving. And I say. Can you come here today? Why? Because I had those cameras. And no one had experience with those cameras. Although I didn't work a lot. I had that experience. However, my colleague was leaving. And I did the first wedding alone. I edited some of his weddings. To see how he did it. I took a lot of notes. He starts with a close shot. Then he does a zoom out. And some scenes. The cameras were huge. It was really hard to work with that. And I did the first wedding alone. I did the first wedding alone. And it went reasonably well. I just fooled myself in the filters. I used the filters. From the street to the interiors. And the interiors to the exteriors. But that was really hard. And I started to film weddings. And to edit. I had a house. Vitor did the photography. But I did everything that was video. So I was totally in charge. A 22, 23 year old girl. Totally in charge of doing the weddings. All of them. The other day. When I left I brought some tapes. I had a lot of tapes. And now how do I think? How was I delivered to the lions? And it went well. Do you think that still happens today? No. Not in this way. In the current generation. I understood. I would never do that to anyone. Arena and Joana. When they started to film weddings. First we went together. And it was always a scene. The mistake was there. But it was a very controlled mistake. What I think the difference is. The responsibility I feel now. It's not the responsibility of denigrating. It's denigrating. In no way. But it's a fact that the responsibility is another. It was the video. The people were looking for the photograph. And the video was just an appendix. It was incredible. But the truth is that it was getting more and more incredible. And that's when I started to realize. It doesn't make sense for me to be working. When I had other photographers from Braga. They told me. Go do weddings for us. But I'm here. I received 75 euros for a wedding. And you did everything? I edited in the working time. But the part of the filming. He paid me 75 euros. I don't know how much he charged. I have no idea. But when I realized what the others were offering me. To go and what I was getting there. How long were you there? I did a professional internship. Two years. I was very afraid to leave. Where would I go? When I left Viena do Castelo. I left because there was a photographer. Who asked me to work with him. It was very cool. I was a freelancer. He gave me weddings. I worked on the video. But it wasn't the house. As it was before. When I say I'm leaving Viena. I come to work for Vodafone. For call center. Because I thought. I stay with Vodafone. If things don't go well. I was fired. In the first month. In the first month. She came to me. I think I still know who it is. She said. We'll have to talk. Because you have a limit. I said. I had a scene to film. I was already thinking. What am I going to invent? Let's go. I was 24, 25, 26 years old. I think I never told you this. But there is a Maria before. And a Maria after. I'm going to ask you. We know that Maria. Full of fear. Nothing impressive. Very afraid of change. And today. You are a Maria. You don't do it. Do you know when it changed? When did it start to change? Age. You started to change more. When you got older. When it was the opposite. Therapy also helped. Fears tend to accentuate. As you become more responsible. With more things to lose. I have a lot of family stuff. But the fear comes from it. When you start to realize that. In your parents. And the mistakes they made. Because of that fear. You start to realize. That you have to make a difference. I still have a lot of fear. But I feel in a comfort zone. Maybe it was one of the reasons. Why I didn't leave Braga. Because. I was in a comfort zone. I still have that fear. Less and less. Because you think. What could be worse? But. I think the flu in Ipiranga. Was when I left Viana. And we came to Braga. I had a small client portfolio. But not a lot. We were already a family. I lived with Alexandre. I think we got married that year. Which year was it? We got married in 2010. So 2004. I think I came here in 2007. 2008. We met in 2010. But the thing is. That I felt it in the first 4, 5, 6 years. There was still a fear. A difficulty. I think it's the same. I felt it too. In 2004. My husband was a freelancer. We always had green receipts. I understand. But I can't understand when it was. Because. Your own difficulty. In changing the camera. You were very attached to the way you were. To the way you had the camera. To your professional system. And suddenly. When the fears were born. We had less time together. I would say it's the team. It's the team. You're not alone anymore. You're not that little capsule. It's exactly like that. What I am and what I have to do. And there's no. Just the fact of creating the company. For me it was just the fact of creating the company. It was the accountant himself who told me. I used to pay social security for free. Because. I worked a lot with companies too. And in the meantime. You receive social security. You have to create a company. And I say. Company? That's just for grown up people. Maybe you're a little grown up. And there's no problem. I created a company. If in a year. Things don't go well. You close the company and that's it. You don't have collaborators. You don't have anyone to work with you. You're fine. Because I was there. Formatted that way to work. If I had already created the company earlier. I had a maternity leave. I already had people working with me. But that step of having someone to work with you. It was also by force. Alexandre had. A great counterpart. In this scene of mine. Go, go, search. And then I don't know how people. But this until I got here. Mariana. Yes, I was there. It's not easy. It's like dating. It's like relationships. You try the first, you try the second. Sometimes you get to the tenth. You get to the first and then you're not happy. But even in that. I realized right away. It's not this way. I like to lie. It's something I admire a lot about you. Although you have that now. Much less than what I felt at the time. You have some difficulty. In changing the things you have. Whether they are right or wrong. But then you have. A great ability. When you realize. That there is another way. You go without fear. That's an interesting scene. And I think that's why. Some of the people. For different reasons. Some ran better than others. But you always realized. There is a way. Having someone is amazing. You just need to find that person. And I found the person. And many times. I asked. I talked to people. And I made them realize. That that was not their way. Before we had Joana. It was a scene. And I think it's cool. To realize that. I was never upset with anyone. I don't think anyone was upset with me. Maybe at times. But in general. Relationships don't always go well. But I didn't close doors with anyone. I think that was one of the things. Someone told me. I never closed doors with anyone. Because this is very small. I'm not going to say it's a small world. The world is very big. But I also think the world is very small. I think that more and more. It's not small. But it's very connected. What you do. In a more local way. But what you do and what you are. It ends up being connected. You meet people again. And it suits you. And the secret is. You step on the ground. And you realize. That when things are not going well. As much as you like it. As much as you don't like it. But it's important to talk about things. Whether it's the mistakes. Whether it's the victories. Whether it's the bad things. It's really important. Even with partnerships. Being true. And I think that when you are true, people also realize, even when you make mistakes, people realize, look, I think she did the best, in fact, she made a mistake, she didn't do it well, but look, that was another thing that I learned from therapy, making mistakes, it's okay, man, it's okay to make mistakes. And how do you deal with mistakes now? I think there is a mantra, which I have passed on to my children a lot too, man, accept what you can't change and ask for wisdom to learn what you can change. I love that phrase. I love this mantra. Actually, I liked it so much that it is used in Alcoholics Anonymous. I heard, I had knowledge of it in films, because it appeared a lot, and it is one of the scenes that appears in the films, that is a religious prayer, but for me the part of religion is completely irrelevant. Because it starts with God giving you the courage to change what you can. And the wisdom to distinguish. No, there are three. The courage to change what you can change. No, the strength to change what you can change. The courage to accept what you can't change. And the wisdom to distinguish. And the wisdom to know the difference. And that's it. This saying is very beautiful and very easy, but it has to be. I think I say this once a day. For example, transit scenes. Oh mom, I'm going to be late, I'm already going to be late. Oh man, accept it. Accept it, you're going to be late, there's a lot of traffic, what are you going to do? Learn to accept what you can't. Can you change the traffic? No. So, that's it. And sometimes this scene of distinguishing is also cool, because we're not going to make the mistake of Oh, I can't change. Life is just like that. Look, it happened. No, I think it's also important to understand that you can change a lot. Because you have the same three questions. Accept what you can't change. Change what you can. With experience and search, you gain some wisdom to understand the difference. There are things that are obvious, time, traffic, scenes, they happen. But there are others that you think you can't. Personality traits, ways of seeing things, ways of seeing the world. That you think it was imprinted on you and it has to be like that. Oh no. One of the things that I felt that made the most difference in my life was the idea of realizing that my thoughts are not me. Are your thoughts? No, my thoughts are not me. Ah, ok, ok, ok. Your thoughts are your thoughts and there are things that are ridiculous, there are things that are cool, but when you can take a step back and say, ok, I'm thinking this, but this doesn't mean anything. It's just a thought, that's why it goes to your life. I'm actually thinking about killing you, but I can't. Look, do you realize that we've never had a conversation like this? Not like this, but it's weird. It's weird, but it's cool. Oh, but we've already traveled alone. Oh, ok, but you don't care about me anymore, you only care about my wife. Oh, but she cares about you a lot. I know that very well. And I appreciate it, you know? A good part of those things I appreciate. But you don't pay attention to me and now you're paying attention to me and I'm enjoying it. You know? I planted a camera here, look. And I have a question for you. When you wrote this, and now when I read it, I thought, I've never really talked to Maria about this, which is quite funny. Going back to work, how do you define your approach, your style? How do I define it? Look, maybe I say what I say to my boyfriends when they come to talk to me. And I say, my style, it's funny that it's been changing, something, from the beginning. But I've always liked, even though I'm extroverted and I like to talk, when I'm working, I don't like to send. I mean, if I have to send, let's do a production for a company, and I know I'll have to, let's film like this, but with people, I don't like to send people. What can I say? It depends. No, I don't know, we've already had, I don't know, maybe we've already had that... At the end of the podcast, let's ask Arianna to refute some of those questions. Can we? Of everything. I was even thinking, for example, when we did that video of the ad for Lentejos, Jaime went and he was an actor, my son went and he was an actor, I really, I commanded it a lot, Arianna is saying that it's true, and everyone is saying, Maria, you're exaggerating a little. But maybe for me to know that he was my son and that I could give more, I remember when I was saying, look, you're going to look over there and you're going to be surprised. He looked and was alone. I was there like, no, you have to, I don't know what, and he tried, but again, and he tried, and he tried, and I know I was sometimes a little rude and he was just a kid and he wasn't an actor, but the truth is that scene got better after I annoyed him so much and he realized that he was there to work, that it wasn't just missing the classes, and the mistakes, for me, are not manageable. No, like, and sometimes there are mistakes, and we all have them, but for me the worst phrase they can say to me is, and now, Maria, what do you want us to do? In fact, in everything, even when I come here as an intern, when they tell me, and now, Maria, what do you want me to do? Well, I don't know, now I've mixed two things, people have to have initiative, a lot of proactivity, and in a wedding, I don't have to explain to you how to be happy, how to get married, I don't even want to, and the truth is that in photography it's different, but sometimes in the video, I mean, if you do it because you're having fun, like, now I'm going to do this, now I'm going to do that, I'm that person who sometimes makes a mess just for the scene, and everything is fine, now if I see that the person will think that she has to live her day, no, it's wrong, for me, it's wrong, it can work for other people, be happy, everything is fine, for me it's wrong, of course I can say, there's a bright light there, or if I see that they even give up, there must be a moment or another that I even abuse a little and I like, for example, when we're doing the grooms, if they're there for us, we give some instructions, and if we see that they're there, it's even better, but apart from that, just be, and that's ours, because I think Arianna also has that mood, we're doing a report, because the documentary sometimes is also a little documentary, because the fact that we have to choose on purpose that perspective, that framing, is more documentary, because the reports I see on TV sometimes I think, God, my book, didn't you have a more beautiful plan than that? Or did you have the whole plan in that perspective, tripod, just so you don't have any work? When I see guys at the summer festivals with the tripods, that's the creative part, because you're telling the story through audio and images, and sometimes I think people are a little lazy, so it's not just a report, maybe if I say that our style is just a report, it's not, it also has a little documentary, because we also take a scene of ours, so there's a lot of that, but since always what I want is, trust me, and sometimes I feel that people, we have those who are all instagramable, they want a lot of pictures and videos, but then I also feel that the other people I've talked to this year in the bookmarks, the grooms, the men mainly, they are very, I don't want the camera always pointed, I don't want to be the fool of the court, no, you just have to trust us, I know that sometimes you have a bride to dress, if you have a camera pointed, when she's still just in her underwear, and when in the end she notices and says that you were actually there with the cameras pointed, but now I understand why you were filming, because you captured, and sometimes we really have brides who let us put some images, we have beautiful images, and certainly you too, when they are just wearing the skirt, and then they have spectacular bodies, and they are playing, and we take advantage of that, sometimes a backlight, people have to trust, they have to trust the professionals who are there, and if they don't trust ... But you have this easy question, that you are easy to understand in a short time, in half an hour of meeting, it's easy to understand who you are and what you want, that's an advantage, then in those points you are saying, you also have the advantage of being a woman, I have one that I remember, that even works the other way around, I was in the room, the bride was going to start dressing, and she took off the skirt, quietly, and I thought that ... and I left, and then I was there thinking, I mean, she didn't ask for anything, so she was calm, and I, being like that, with shame, maybe I jumped her in discomfort, I just smoked a cigarette. Exactly, so basically, as you have that question, it also helps. And now, I have this question here, that has everything to do with you, and it's just to ... But to answer your question? Yes, of course. Very strong at the level of the answer to your questions. Today, as you are paying attention, you usually ignore me, I think there will be, in our relationship, there will be a podcast, which has everything to do with you, which is, do you have a marketing and communication strategy? No! No, my strategy is not to have a strategy. No, I don't know, I don't have a strategy. Let me make this preamble, which is, I knew perfectly, you are the last person to open an Excel and make a scene calendar, I know that perfectly, but what I think happens, and maybe it's the question I ask you, you are a strategy, because I think the way you are ... And I am a strategy! But I think so, the way you are, not only online, as a presentation, the way you dress, the way you are, the things you do, I think everything ... This lipstick ... But there it is, I know it's not planned, you know what you're doing, it's not planned, but I think, I don't know if you consciously made the decision to say, ok, this is what I am, this is what I'm going to show, and this is what will appear, and this is what has to be, and my people will appear. Was this part conscious, or did you never think about it? No, because I was not used to it. Because the lipstick was given to me very early, but I was also up to it. I also worked a lot, I did a lot of live shows, when I started, on the contrary, I accepted everything that was work, but the truth is that I started at a time when the audiovisual is now exploding, at the time, there it is, it was still the time when wedding videos were not important, and so a girl comes, who did not dream of filming weddings, that is, who brings a scene that was not thought, that came here a lot from within, and came from a very personal charisma, of wanting to please, of wanting to take beautiful images, and this network, of those who had houses, who wanted to get married, had a company, I never looked, I never had to look, and sometimes the no's that I said, it was even that I could not, I worked with Alexandre for a long time, but even so, in fact, maternity was a point, it was in maternity that I started working from 9 to 6, because before I worked from 6 to 9, we worked a lot at night, we worked at home, and only when maternity came, we started to create, I think that was the first point where I started to professionalize, after creating the company, after creating the company, I had the professional internships, and the guy who did the internships was hired, and therefore, the scene was happening, and only now, and it was happening, and I liked what was happening, there was nothing like, this is happening, but I wanted to go there. Have you ever wanted to go on a different path? Yes, and to experiment, sometimes when I see Portuguese TV series, I have a lot of curiosity, and it was that I could not be there, it was not to work, I could work, but I did not need to work because I did not need to be paid for it, just to be there and see how it happened. How many people were behind this? How did that person make that scene and it seems that there is no one? All these scenes, not only Portuguese, I really enjoyed seeing how this was done, seeing this team, I sometimes think that to direct five people to the end of the world, I imagine these series, this is a whole troop. Yes, but then I thought, this could happen, but for this to happen, I had to go to Lisbon, I had to work twice or three times what I work now, and then it was a scene, and I came to the conclusion, I'm fine as I am, I like to be as I am, even if it were to go abroad, I really want to start from scratch, and if it were not for weddings, now I really like it because it's 50-50, I get tired of doing weddings, at the time I'm filming companies, sometimes the companies are more annoying, I have weddings, which is always where people are more pleased, because I'm always saying, no matter how amazing it is, at the end of a week it's gone, no one cares, people are eternally grateful for having done that, for having recorded that, so maybe now that I do it here, sometimes I think a little more, I have to sponsor scenes on Instagram, we don't cost anything anymore, I don't know how long, but it's not something that for now, and maybe in ten years, I'm going to be stupid, right? Do you navigate well that satisfied state with what you have now, and want more? Yes, I really think that my priority, I feel that within me, I have my priorities, priority, priority, priority, it's family, obviously, children, but after the children comes me, and then comes the company, what I do professionally, and it has to be true to myself, you see? And I think about that a lot, professionally, yes, but my personal realization doesn't go through the professional, I don't live to work, that's it, I don't live to work, I work to live, but I don't live to work, And that's where the idea of doing the week of four days came from? Of course, yes, no, it's not a week of four days, it's like I say, the guy here often says that I'm luckier than Juiz, and it's a little bit, because, for example, I started the week of four days, but there it is, then I was there to grab, things can happen to me by the grace and grace of the Holy Spirit, but the truth is that you are there and you grab, or they pass by you and you don't grab, and today we could be doing, I started the week of four days, it's been two years, because I started doing the master's degree, I took the master's degree from Media Arts, and in the meantime, the classes were Friday and Saturday, and in the classes I wasn't here in the office, and it's true that now, there are weeks when we don't see each other, or I'm inside and she's outside, or I'm outside and she's inside, and sometimes, it's not just because of that, but I don't know why I started thinking, because I'm not in the office, I'm also studying, but I went to Media Arts to meet other people, and to play with others, it was to play, I didn't go to study for a professional scene, I went to play, to meet a girl, because I was one of the oldest, and another girl, I didn't have the age to play, because they were all chivalrous, almost all, and in the meantime, every four days, maybe I spend a lot more time doing some things, outside of work, than she does, and if I trust her, I don't know, look Ariane, I need this video to deliver it tomorrow, at night, she doesn't work at night, but at 6 o'clock the day before, she tells me, look, I left the link in Dropbox, and it's great to have a day just for us, why not? I tried it, and I don't know how it is in bigger companies, that have a lot more collaborators, and we don't work more, it's not because we have a free Friday, we work more hours, the schedule is exactly the same, but for example, Ariane is able to be at the computer, watching something, and do half an hour of lunch, and when you have a team, you also have to give, and so, companies have to be this reciprocity, you give me one side, I give you the other, so while you are happy working, and you also make me happy working, things are fine, when you let it be like that, it's bad for the conversation. I infiltrated you, because I didn't have the slightest idea that you worked a week of four days, I infiltrated you, and on the weekends we had three days, and last week, we worked a lot, but on the other week, people said, on Friday it should also be cold, because it was Friday, and I said, you really made me think, not you, Ariane, you made me think, because there is a principle, I think it's the principle of Parkinson's, it has nothing to do with the disease, they concentrated on that, but then you say, if there is a space left, you are going to occupy it. That's it, if you have 5 days to do something, you do it in 5 days, if you have 3 days, you find a way to do it in 3 days. And I think we end up, as a society and as a culture, since it's 5 days of work, we do the work in 5 days of work. But I think there are exceptions, of course, those who work those hours and it has to be a more manual job, the hours make sense. But we have a more creative, more administrative job, and I think a person stretches the things that did not need to be stretched. It is proven, we have already reached the conclusion that last year we worked more than last year, than two years ago. We had more work and we worked less. But you also have the Saturdays, let's go on Saturdays or on other days. Yes, but also Kariana told me, and in our case it has to be applied always, if there are days of events, there are days of events, if not, we are talking about office work. And if there is a client who wants to schedule on Friday, because he only has Friday, we also schedule on Friday. Yes, but we are talking about work, events or specific things that happen when the event happens. But in terms of office work, in terms of editing work and all those things, it really seems like a good idea. Well, that's what I was going to explain to you. So, this happened, I was in the master's degree, so I took advantage of it, it's not just for me, so it's going to be for both of us. I could not do it, but I think that sometimes things happen and I can also take the good side of the scene. And it's not just like that, it happened because it happened, no, because I saw that it was cool. And I think that's the most important thing, people have to be good at work. And really, Friday is a day, which sometimes is also because of work, because there is always one thing or another pending, or a meeting with the grooms. But as a rule, being able to read, being able to walk in the street, because the children are also at school, so you have the same day just for you. And that scene, my personal realization, I know that at 44 years old, if someone wants, I can still have more than 44. Let's see, I know it's not yet an age of wow, but the truth is that it is already, and you have to take it, you can't put all the credits only when you retire. I think this is the age when we really have to think seriously about the next ones. It is not now that things change, but it is now that we can make them start to change. It is not at 55, 60 or 70 that you are going to prepare the last ones. If you start now with some proactivity to prepare the other half of your life, it may be a good idea to start now. Even physically, almost. Yes, yes, physically, mentally and creatively. Look, when I invited you to come and talk to me, your answer was epic, and you said, no, I'm not part of your wedding gang. Did I say that? Of course you did, of course you did. And the groom told me what this means. Oh, man! You were waiting for the entrance together. Ariana, we exchanged! You already explained it to me. Oh, how crazy it is here! Now I can take off the microphone, I'm not going to take it off, I'm going to put up with it. Oh, man, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. You're already turning around. I don't know, but I also don't know how to put it into words. The truth is that I don't breathe. Marriages, the same way you breathe, and everything is fine. And ok. But for me... I think my last name was this question that I... Were you more afraid? I tried to avoid it. Oh, man, I don't know. Because if at first I thought... Maybe at first I thought... Maybe I'm the one who's bad. Maybe I'm the outsider and I'm the one who's bad. But then, over time... Also because Ariana also thinks like me, don't you? And I thought like... Man, no... It's all ok. I think everyone has... In fact, I've met other people in the middle... That... I think you're the ones who breathe a little more. But... There are other people... Who... Who breathe less. When... When you leave here. Let me... And they died! Let me help you, then. And the thing is... That answer of yours... I've always been interested in... In inviting you. But that answer of yours made me even more willing. And that's exactly why. Because... When I started the podcast... I talked to some of the people... Who really breathe more at weddings. And that's why I invited you. Because at the time... I wasn't breathing at weddings for some time. Ah, ok, ok. And then... I felt like I was taking the podcast... And the topics... And what we were talking about... And the kind of professionals that were there... I felt like I was taking this... To a side where it seems that only this is correct. Ok, ok. And when I started to feel that... I started to think... No, I really have to bring... People who think differently. And that was the moment when... Ok, Maria has to come. And she has to come as soon as possible. And when you answered me that way... For me it was... Closing a perfect cycle. And that's exactly what you were saying. That is... You have people... We have several colleagues... Who only do weddings... And breathe at weddings 100%. And not only us. We don't do it only, but... 80% of what we do... Is at weddings. We breathe a lot. But for a period of time... I breathed very little at weddings. But we have some colleagues who only do it... And only think about it. And they are absolutely obsessed... And focused on that. And you don't. And that's the point of... Because what I feel is that... Very naturally... From the way you were saying... That you thought you were wrong... I think there are a lot of people who are listening... And think... But I'm not... I'm not so... In love with this... Maybe I'm wrong. But no. You know? That's why... No, but you can be in love. Yes, what I'm saying is... You can not be so in love... Or you can be in love with that... But not in such an obsessive way. And it's all right. That's why I think it's really important... What you have to learn. Right. Right, man. And I was very amazed... When recently at a wedding... We found two photographers... Who came exactly like this... And I thought they were working very well... Since I saw some of their work online... I liked what I saw... But they were kids... Who made some weddings... To pay that money... And to travel. But to travel... It was not like going to New York... Or London... No, to travel to hidden places... Forests... Scenes... Very, very nature... A lot of backpack on the back... And... Monthly trips... And so I really enjoyed that scene... No, man... We make weddings and such... We get some bridesmaids... Who pay us... The trips! And meanwhile... The rest of the year... We travel around... Backpack on the back... And I... Wow! Man, if I was 23 years old... I was in your gang... Absolutely sure. Because... It's totally... That spirit... It's brutal. Now... I think I see weddings... As I see other jobs... They are people... That I never... Man, I don't select brides... I explain a lot in the meeting... I do that... And maybe sometimes they don't close with me... Because I'm very... True... And very open in that situation... I may not be your videographer... You may not be my bridesmaids... I'm not going to say no... But you're going to realize... If I'm zen or not... Because... I'm not going to be the person who will direct you... That I'm going to be very concerned... I'm much more concerned with the content... Than with the shot... It's not that I discover the whole shot... I think it has to be well filmed... Well... Well lit... Well focused... And sometimes even... There are jokes when... There are things that we sometimes do a little more... To sleep... Or the dragged... And people think they are mistakes... They were things we did on purpose... There is no mistake... And so... That's all to our personal taste... But... And maybe sometimes... When they don't close... They realize that... Well... This is not what we... Now when they stay... Well... It's really a scene... And personally when I see that they even had... Many difficulties... In dealing with the cameras... In having cameras pointed... Well... And on the day... Like... Oh Maria... It was so cool... Well... I'm stupid... When the next day... At the wedding... I have a message on the phone asking if I arrived well... Well... The last thing I remembered... That I was a bride... It was sending a message... To the guy who was photographing and filming... Asking if I arrived well... Well... This for me... It's brutal... It's really brutal... It's really cool... That those people... Remember on the next day... I was in such a way... In the memory... And they sent it to me... I also know they sent it to the photographer... We always do a good team... But... There are days... There are days... But... Well... Fire... It's because I was right there... In the gut... Like... In the gut is when it's something negative... Right? Because in the memory... Well... It's just in the memory... And that's what I like... That people like... And I always say... I'm not just selling... A video... A file that I send you... I'm selling... A way of being... At the wedding... Well... But... Maybe I'm closing your question a little bit... Well... I think the gang is... Well... It's people who... Choose the... But this is not negative... This is what it is... I'm not like that... People who choose the grooms... People who are always on the edge... Of the latest news... And then like... They want... They do... Now it's Boho... Or it's the... I don't know what... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... So, for me that's like... What? So... But love... From my heart... It's all good... It's all good... Basically... Look... Good thing there's a market for everyone... Good thing there's a market for this whole gang... The other day... I saw an Indian video... Of a girl who... Someone close to me knows her... And she showed me the video... That she got... Oh I forgot... Good grass... Whatever... It was very beautiful... It was very beautiful... I love you... I love you... And I think that... Whatever... And the wedding was all Indian... But a scene... A wedding where you have to have the photo taken... I was watching the wedding and I was thinking... I can barely see the bride and groom laughing... I can barely see the grooms like... Making a scene that's like... Without the protocol... And without being... The tradition... I know it has its traditions... And it has its moments... I don't know what... Well but I like it when it's a scene... When there's chaos... I like to have weddings where there's chaos... Where things happen... And the others are fine... Maybe she liked that... Because... The wedding was like that... You couldn't run away... Because you can't do that... The wedding isn't like that... Yes, yes, yes... I think that in the case of Indian weddings... There's a lot of protocol... I know that there is... Culturally it's a bit more closed... Yes, of course... Right, yes... Obviously... But still... There's no... A moment of disorder... At any moment... You see? There's no space... For a moment... That wasn't in the scene... And I like that... I like that chaos... I like messy brides... Brides that talk loud... Brides that... That are shitting on the portfolio... On the protocol... She wants to know if it's to cut with the right hand... Or to cut with the left hand... There's no patience for those things... Now it's part of... Let's say it wrong... It's this... Brides from this country... Let's do different weddings... Leave the protocol... Of opening... Of entering the salon with the music... Of cutting the cake... Of having timings... It's true that there has to be timings... But they don't spend so much time eating... For God's sake... For us it's good because we don't work at that time... We're chilling... But actually... It's a waste... It's a waste of a party... It's a waste of good moments... And the truth is that I've been in weddings for 20 years... And things are still exactly the same... As much as it's... Wow... And wow... And wow... But the scenes continue... There's a lot of time to eat... And it's a waste of time... You can breathe a little bit now... I don't know if I can... Time is up... We're good, we're good... Don't worry... But look... I have a headache... No, but we're almost done... Now there's only 17 more... No, no... Let's continue... There's only 17 more questions... And it's good... No, look... But there's something that I think is very funny about you... That is... You have... You are an extremely... Community person... And to add... You bring everyone together... For the most varied reasons... But not specifically in weddings... In the area of weddings... It's... It's not very common to go to events... And things like that... It's not very common... I'm being a little nice... I don't remember if you ever went to any... Zero... Well, then... But why? Look... Look, I was never invited to start... It's not like that... I've already paid more than I was invited to go... Ah, I see... You see... I'm proud... I'm being nice... People don't say yes... You only realize later... Ah, what a cool thing there was... No, there was already one or the other... Yes... Well, then... But you never thought about it? Never... I don't know... I also think... Look, maybe I also lost not having gone... Obviously, I'm not going to say... Oh, how great it must have been... No, some must have been cool... And sometimes I think... Look, why didn't I go? Man, it happened to me... Because there are also concerts... Suddenly I loved to go... And I didn't go because I let it slip... And other things... That I like to say... And that... Man, when you have children... When you have 1,500... And the OK... The OK at the weekend... Takes away all your free time... Isn't that it? Well... You know that the wedding events... Usually are on the week... Ah, is it? Yes, yes... Ah... So, look, I'll be more attentive... Well, I'll have to walk... No, but nothing against... Well, nothing against... As long as it's not... I go, I say hello... I drink something... And then, if I didn't like it... I leave, right? I don't need to be there all the time... Yes... And you talk about all the things... About the wedding, right? Yes, yes... That's it, OK... They are normal people... Ah, OK... I mean, normal... There are always... Sometimes they are normal people... Do they have alcohol? It depends on... For example, now the Shootfest... That will happen now in July... After that... You have the lectures... The round tables... And then you have... Cobbled and cocktails... So, lectures... That's it... Lectures... Round tables... Round tables... Yes, I often say those words... Ah, OK... Round tables and stuff... Well... Well, that's it... It's a part of me... But I have to work... I have to work... And maybe it shouldn't be so... But that was my next question... I know you weren't going to... I'm asking you questions standing up... I don't know... Just to... To put you on the front row... Maybe there will be a day, for example... I haven't read for a long time... And now, from August to now... Let me ask you another way... I have read a lot... But let me ask you another way... Maybe... Here it is... How would the event be... That you would like to go? Because the logic... Let me also define... The logic of these events... What I'm asking is... People get together... To hear other professionals talking... To understand ways of being... To learn something... Or just to share... And then, some... More recently... They have the habit of starting to create... A lunch, a dinner, a party... Something like that... For the people to get together... And my question is... What do you think... How would an event be... That you would be interested in going? Tricky question... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... I don't know... Tricky question... Yes... Because maybe until now... You would say... But that's exactly what it is... So... As I never went... I don't... But you don't feel bad... For this question... No, no... Because I... Because I also... We went to many... During the first 7 or 8 years... Of our career... And then I think it got there... In 2017... More or less... We went to a Bodafe... In Barcelona... We had already been to some... And we went to that one in Barcelona... And then... Well, let's leave that... I'm always hearing the same thing... From everyone... I mean... I don't have interest anymore... I mean... I don't have interest anymore... Let me say... Because I really felt that... Things were very stagnant... In the interest... But recently... Different things started to happen... And it was fun to come back... Yes... And with another crowd... And with another rhythm... I think it was... In the past... In the past... As someone says... Until last year... It was everything... That was events... Of this genre... It was with lectures... And you were sitting... And for 5 hours... You would hear one person... Talking only... Each time... Last year... Shootfest brought... Brought this... Round tables... Where you are sitting... At a certain time... And you have 3 or 4 people... Talking about a certain topic... Then the others come back... There is a bigger dynamic... There is a conversation... That is much more interesting... For you to be listening... And then at the end... You have dinner... And you have the party... And it's cool to get together... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... Yes... There was a lot... It was like that... I started to see this... And then I tried... I started to buy scenes... Even cameras... Changing them for... Cards... Cardboards... Before the cassettes... I was like... Oh no... Look at this... Look at cards... Then that... Then what this is... Oh! Oh! Look at the cards... Can you believe? Man... There is a lot... That happen to me... And it's... The thing we were talking about... At the beginning... I have here... Something... That there is a change... And I was changing a lot... But... I think this is just one more... That I will say... Until I try... And then, until I say... Look... OK... It was OK... Man... Or it was OK in a... Sometimes I don't have... I think I won't have much patience... To talk about weddings... Because for me... The wedding... It's not a scene... I don't see the product... I don't see the wedding as a product... It's a service... That I lend... That we lend well... That people have been... They realize... Man... And they say a lot of times... Because I see in your images... A relaxed and true scene... That I sometimes don't find in others... And I have to have... There are a lot of people working very well... We are at a time when... Photography and video... There are a lot of people working very well... And obviously... We're not the last piece of the package... But I realize... What people are trying to say... And I think... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is something holic. I think... I think... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is... That is that... That is... That is that... gente... I think it's going to be legit. Let's hear it! Wow! Oh my God! How beautiful is that? I think that is very simple. Somebody asked... I think that is very simple. Oh my God! Oh my God! This is so amazing! Oh my God! This is so amazing! Whoa! This is so great! It has 0 calories, оф off... Or no calories, zero calories, zero calories... With how many calories you eat It is... It's delicious!! It's delicious! It's delicious!! Oh my God! It's just, it's amazing! It is... It's just... It is... It's just... There is no other tangerine I've ever tasted. In Every tangerine. It's in the tints! What inspires you, inspires you. What inspires me, inspires me. I'm not going to inspire myself with the things that inspire you. And it was too boring. And today we're starting to have much more practical issues, which really help us, the game itself helps us all. That's why I think it's a cool scene and I'm more than us with one of these. But yeah. And... Even because, attention! I think you win and lose everything. In a whole, that's one of the things that age brings me. Which is, everything's fine! I don't think there's anything that isn't... It's not because I'm better than them, it's not like that at all. It's true, until now I wasn't interested. Now it can happen that I go and say, look how cool it was. In fact, there were a lot of people that I knew from the wedding area, that I met outside of the weddings. We had productions and in the meantime we called these people to work with us. And I had an idea of them that then went down the drain. And I thought it was like, oh, they looked like Spindelics, they looked like Bessonobis. And I thought, look, they're not the same people. No, but it's a little different. I know that, for us to promote ourselves, sometimes the guys use a scene that's more up there, and of difference. I'm much more apologetic about that sharing. Like, we all have fragility, and we all have problems and mistakes. We don't have to be here pointing out, look at me, look at what I do well, look at what I am, it's fantastic. And now I'm here on this pedestal, pedestal, pedestal. And that, no, you're cool in that scene. There are other things you could do better. Or now you're fine and God knows if tomorrow you're fine or not. I think this sharing is cool. And in that, things have improved a little, which is the sharing of budgets, ways of working, conditions. Fears. Of material. Yes, of problems. Yes, of problems, yes, yes, yes, yes. That helps a lot. And there's no one, even in this area, I've never closed doors to anyone, I've never worked. Of course, sometimes I like to work with one or the other. But usually, when someone tells me, look, the photographer is, I don't know what, unless I realize that the photographer doesn't have the same perspective as me, which has already happened. Tell me that the photographer is X, and I say, I really like to have him as a person, but the way I work is not the way I work. Because he's going to be handling you all the time, and I'm going to want spontaneous scenes, and I'm not going to have it. But I'm going for it, and I do my best, but I'm happy. I'm not so happy. But that's it. If the boot doesn't hit the boot, it's cool that we're all in the same mood. That's the ideal, for everyone. In fact, the other day, the future fiancée, who is going to get married now, she had a past marriage, and I was saying, the photographer wasn't really from my gang, from my tribe, but look, he's fine. So who's your photographer? It's him. And no one got upset, we worked well together. But of course, when they tell me it's you, I know you're not in a gang. I have days, I have days. That's because we spent a lot of time doing nothing, and in that time we're not doing anything. We had a great time, sometimes I get home and say to Sandor, I laughed my ass off at the wedding yesterday. It was really like, look, we were fine, and that helps to pass the time, and that's why we like to do what we do. It's great. You say it helps to pass the time when we're working. It's boring. But at that moment we're not working. We're drinking and eating. And laughing. That's what we want. I was thinking about the last question. What do your eyes say? No, no, no. It's similar, but where does Maria go? And where are you? I'm looking for my daughter. I don't know where to go. Think about it. I think about it, but things have been so terrible. I've heard so many stories. I live in the present. I live more and more in the present. The future is important. The past is also important. I don't live clinging to the past, but I'm getting more and more nostalgic. It's not that I want to go back to the past, but I feel sorry for my memory being shit, and not being able to remember the scenes. I have to write and I don't write. I have to film more and I don't film. The future is really uncertain. The more movies I watch, the more books I read, the more I'm in the present. This is the moment. The years are passing. My son will be 14 years old. He'll be away from home one day. And I don't win. Of course you win when you plan things. I have a husband at home who's always reminding me of that. Things have to be planned when we're not... But I think it's a lot more fun. For example, the eraser scene. You could have a kit at home, with bottles and crayons and water. It's a lot more fun than being caught unnoticed. And going to look for the mini market. And then I do that happily. I don't panic. It's not the scene of... Of course, people were panicking, and we're not talking about that. I like to... And sometimes I think, there must be something going on. Just to cheer up the scene, so everything doesn't go wrong. That's the challenge. Finding the scenes you weren't telling, going beyond them, and seeing the glass always full. And I'm that kind of person. And we like that kind of person, Maria. Thank you. I should be more... Because, you know, I should be thinking more about things. As you wish. But I don't need any more therapy. That's it. So far, so good.